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My name is Jan Harzant. I'm the executive director for MUFON. We are a scientific research organization

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that basically collects citing reports from the public and then goes and investigates them.

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Our mission statement as an organization is the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity.

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And we have three primary goals. We investigate UFO reports, we promote research into the UFO subject,

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and we educate the public on our findings.

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MUFON is really more just left of center where we try to take a scientific approach by collecting the data first off

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and then reviewing the data, investigating the data, and making sure that what we're seeing is actually something that's truly an unknown.

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We have 3,000 members worldwide, many scientists, physicists, PhDs, metallurgists, biologists,

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all the way down to just the average citizen who really wants to get involved.

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Some of those have chosen to become field investigators and they go through our field investigative training courses.

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They become part of the team in their state or country where they reside, and they actually get engaged in going out and meeting this phenomena head on.

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We receive about 500 to 1,000 reports per month from around the world.

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Field investigators will take the case, generally review it, try to come up with a hypothesis,

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checking star charts, and we'll go put an investigation in place to determine what exactly happened.

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We've recently formed a science review board, and that board is made up of scientists from around the United States and around the world

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to review some of our more significant cases and try to render an opinion on them.

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What we'd like to do is be more outbound, more outspoken in terms of the really true UFO cases.

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So MUFON is moving forward with this approach, and we'll be publishing papers in these different areas to allow the general public and even the scientific community

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to be able to be challenged by what we're finding.

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That's the strength of MUFON as an organization is being really the truth seekers of the UFO field.

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Our next speaker, Linda Zimmerman, is a research chemist, turn award winning author of 30 books on science, history, the paranormal, and fiction.

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She's lectured across the country and has appeared on numerous television and radio shows.

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Linda starred in the documentary In the Night Sky, I Recall a UFO, which was based on her research into sightings in the Hudson Valley of New York.

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Here to talk about the Hudson Valley UFO sightings, a century of UFO sightings.

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Linda Zimmerman.

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Applause

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Thank you very much. Welcome everyone.

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I thank MUFON for giving me the opportunity to speak about a topic that I not only have a great intellectual curiosity for,

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but a great personal interest in as well as I have spent my entire life in the Hudson Valley growing up surrounded by stories of UFOs and actually having a couple of sightings myself.

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So some of you may be familiar with the Hudson Valley, at least the flap of the 1980s,

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but what I'm going to present today goes far beyond the 1980s to really an entire century of sightings.

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So without further ado, I will jump in.

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I had never planned on doing a UFO book.

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I hadn't planned on a lot of things in my life actually, but that's life.

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I started my career as a research chemist and I enjoyed writing about local history and science.

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And when I'd give a lecture somewhere in the Hudson Valley, people would come up to me with their UFO stories.

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And I said, well, that's very interesting, but I don't do UFOs.

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Well, after about 15 or 20 years of hearing these stories, I said, it's time I do UFOs because this just went so far beyond what even I had known growing up.

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So the first book was In the Night Sky came out a couple of years ago.

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And as I started my research, I decided to contact a production company that was in the Hudson Valley.

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And I thought maybe we could have a 10-minute companion video that we can just put on YouTube, something to drum up interest and maybe get more people to come forward.

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Well, you know, great oaks grow from little acorns and that 10-minute companion video became a 2DVD full-length set.

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And we actually were fortunate enough to win the People's Choice Award at the EBE Film Festival, the UFO Congress, in 2013.

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And of course, with that success came more people out of the woodwork wanting to tell their stories,

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which is why the second book, Hudson Valley UFOs, came out.

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And people tell me I have to write a third because they want their story told as well.

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So I am working on a third. Who knows how many more.

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But it just goes to speak to this incredible scope of the generations of sighting by so many tens of thousands of people over the years.

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I will leave this up to you, but in my personal opinion, I think the Hudson Valley over the last century has been the number one hot spot in the United States.

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So it's open into interpretation. I will let you draw your own conclusions.

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But that is the premise that I have been working on.

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One thing I made a great mistake when I first started doing this research was I assumed everybody knew where the Hudson Valley was.

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My first presentation several years ago, people were saying, oh yeah, I know the Hudson Valley. That's Wyoming, isn't it?

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Isn't that somewhere in Florida? You name it.

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I said, okay, I'm going to start with a very simple map, New York, basically from New York City up to Albany, the counties that are on either side of the Hudson River.

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But I do want to clarify that a lot of these sightings, particularly some of the largest sightings on any given night, would also spill over into northern New Jersey and western Connecticut and sometimes western Massachusetts as well.

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Obviously, these were not isolated incidents. If UFO was traveling a thousand miles that night, it was going to be seen over a wide range.

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But for the most part, what I'll be speaking about tonight and what I focus on are the ones that are actually in the Hudson Valley.

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When I was a child, I was of course fascinated by UFOs. I think everybody was, science fiction movies, you name it.

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But UFOs to me were always things that happened in somebody else's backyard.

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And then I picked up a Frank Edwards book. I think it was Flying Saucers Serious Business.

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And there was this photograph taken at Lake Tirati in 1966.

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Now Lake Tirati was where my family went just about every Saturday or Sunday in the summer.

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We would picnic, we would fish, we would rent a boat.

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And all of a sudden, you can imagine a little kid seeing this image of this.

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It was described as a coppery shaped disc, maybe 18, 20 feet in diameter.

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And I was amazed. I was blown away. This was my backyard now, not some distant land.

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And the story that came out was this man was fishing by the name of Vincent Perna.

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He and his brother, he had a little brownie camera.

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Remember the little brownie film cameras in his tackle box.

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He took a series of four photographs.

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When he brought it to the local newspaper and police, they suggested, these were such remarkable images,

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that he go to bring it to the Air Force Base.

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But back then, it was an actual Air Force Base.

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Now this man is voluntarily going there with his photos and negatives.

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They proceed to inject the man with sodium pentothal and try to discredit him in every way possible.

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I saw this object. I'm not telling you what it is. I just took these photos.

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So since they weren't able to personally discredit him, they concluded that these objects on this series of four photos

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was nothing more than a blob of developing fluid.

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That happened to show up as a coppery shaped disc on four consecutive negatives.

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So this was a great influence. This was a turning point in my young life.

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We had UFOs in my virtual backyard. We had government cover-ups. We had conspiracies.

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We had all the great elements that would hook a young mind into the field of ufology.

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I tried to start pushing back this phenomena as far as I could.

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And I actually came across a series of articles from 1909 involving mysterious airships.

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Now you're probably all familiar with the mysterious airships in California and Texas in the 1890s.

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And I hadn't been aware until recently of our own mysterious airships, you know, a decade or so later.

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But before I describe what was happening, I think it's important to know what was the state of aviation at the time.

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This plane on the top here, you can see it's one of the Wright brothers.

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He's talking to somebody in the Army.

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He just sold this little stick-in-fabric plane to the Air Force for $30,000.

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That is $30,009.

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To give you an idea, the average wage was $0.22 an hour, and the average worker made about $300 a year.

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So this was quite a remarkable fortune he made.

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So this was the Army's first airplane, state-of-the-art.

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It could go about 42 miles an hour, top speed, and could stale off maybe about an hour.

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But I read several accounts where the wise pilot would strap a canoe to the bottom,

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because if he were to be going over water, chances are he would be needing that canoe to get back home.

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The dirigible on the bottom here was a pretty pathetic example compared to the Zeppelins in Europe.

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This was the SC-1 with a top speed of about 20 miles an hour.

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It could stale off maybe two hours.

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I believe the first night flight was in Buenos Aires in about 1910.

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It flies only at night and keeps folks up in Orange County.

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They were seeing a light that was moving from town to town.

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There was another one from the Newburgh Journal that was saying the airship was seen swooping.

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It was over the top of a mountain.

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People on the Hudson River, people across the river for hours were watching these lights just kind of swooping back and forth and slowly rising.

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There really wasn't anything we had that could stale off for that period of time,

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and as I said, there were no aircraft yet carrying lights.

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By the end of the year, thousands of people throughout the Northeast had seen these mysterious airships,

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or at least these mysterious lights at night.

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Now, nobody said they were extraterrestrials.

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You know, some people today said it was a product of mass hysteria.

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Well, what were they hysterical about?

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They thought the Wright brothers or Thomas Edison had invented some new aircraft,

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and they were excited for sure because they wanted to see this great advance in technology.

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Now, when I was doing my research, going through all the microfilm,

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I came across this article here and the title caught my eye, Human Volcano Erupts.

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I said, well, I have to see what this is all about, and it turns out, to my knowledge,

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it is the first UFO-related arrest.

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And I will just read this to you.

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Otto Pushman, Newberg's champion cusser, had been sent to jail for 30 days for using sulfurous language.

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During the nocturnal hours of Tuesday, he was discovered on Grand Street,

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looking for that ding-blasted airship that the Newberg papers tell about,

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and cursing fervently at the blankety-blanked moon.

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So here's a man standing, probably slightly inebriated,

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standing on a street corner in the middle of the night, cursing his head off.

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He wanted to see this mysterious airship, and for that, he was thrown in jail for 30 days.

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The New York papers started picking up on these.

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I found one article that said, the great airship mystery is solved.

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It was actually little Johnny Smith flying his kite in Central Park.

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And I started to get a little steamed, and then I found this, which I believe was in the New York Sun.

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And if you see a mysterious airship, well, it's probably Santa Claus,

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and you see he's carrying a lantern there, and that's what you saw,

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or maybe it's baby New Year coming to see.

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So here, 100 years ago, we have thousands of credible eyewitnesses

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over the course of at least six months, up and down the East Coast,

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and the newspaper is ridiculing everybody and making fun of it.

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So all the elements that frustrate us today were already in place 100 years ago.

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All right, the question everyone's always wants to know, the government,

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what did they know, and when did they know it?

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I decided to pull out a few cases just to illustrate that, at least in the Hudson Valley,

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the government knew a lot, and they knew it early, and they knew it for many decades.

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This gentleman here, Hank Vanderbake, was a corrections officer his entire life,

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and as he pointed out to me, we are trained to observe everything.

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If you work in a prison, you watch everything.

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Well, as a younger boy, he and his brother and some friends were playing,

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this was 1953 in the town of Sogerties, New York,

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and you can see he's standing by a baseball field here,

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and he's holding up a little piece of artwork he had done.

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It was a beautiful sunny warm day, they're all playing,

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and suddenly one of the boys says, you know, what is that?

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He said there was a cigar-shaped object tapered at both ends,

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at least 300 feet long, with a series of circular, you know, it was the 1950s,

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alternating red and green.

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Well, this is 1953, they weren't thinking aliens, they're thinking Russian bomb.

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Kids are running home, getting their mothers, their mothers are coming out, screaming,

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you know, the Russians are attacking.

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They call the local police, the police see this, what are they going to do?

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So they call Stewart Air Force Base.

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About 20 minutes later, this object has not moved, not an inch in all that time.

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Three fighter jets come roaring up the Hudson Valley,

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so you can imagine the paranoia this called, caused up and down the Hudson Valley.

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that they're actually going to fire upon it, it moves ever so slightly,

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and he said in a blink of an eye, it just went absolutely gone,

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just a tiny little speck and then disappeared.

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because, you know, it's the Cold War and why are we scrambling fighter jets

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in the Hudson Valley of New York?

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No reason to panic populace, it was only a weather balloon.

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I was fortunate enough to have a man from the Air Force approach me

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and tell me that in 1968 he was working at Stewart Air Force Base in the Sage Building.

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and I said, well what does Sage stand for?

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He said, oh that's semi-automated ground environment.

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I said, I know you think you're helping.

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I said, I still have no clue.

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What it was was a radar installation in a national network that covered the entire country.

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In fact, if you feel like it, you can read up on Sage,

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there was more manpower and more money expended in this Sage network

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than there was in the Manhattan Project.

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So nothing, nothing flew through US airspace without a Sage facility

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picking it up and tracking it across the country.

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He said one night they're all sitting at their stations and suddenly somebody gets very excited.

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Now when you have your finger on the nuclear arsenal,

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when somebody gets excited it's something to pay attention to.

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Well, one of the Sage facilities down south picked up an object traveling at about the height of airlines,

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where airline traffic is, only this thing was traveling at a stunning, remarkable, inexplicable rate of speed.

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They knew it wasn't ours, they knew it wasn't the Russians,

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and they watched this thing tracked it fully across the country until it disappeared.

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He said they spoke about this for months, for years, that that was the night everybody in that building knew that there was something out there.

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So once again, obviously the government knew about it, there wasn't anything in the papers,

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And this Sage building still does exist, it's gutted now, I hope they do preserve it.

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I think it should be turned into a UFO museum, what do you think?

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This is a story I have not even written about yet, this is unpublished, it's come to me so recently.

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I didn't realize that major airports have plain spotters,

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trained individuals who look for, to try to identify civilian, military, and commercial aircraft,

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then match the tail numbers to what the transponder is telling them.

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Sounds simple enough, why would they want to do that?

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Because people like drug dealers would steal a plane, change the tail number,

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and be stupid enough to fly into a major airport like LaGuardia with a plane full of drugs and think nobody would notice.

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So that was her job to identify these aircraft, if it was at night, by their configuration of lights,

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and when it was within range, get the tail number, and she said over the years they caught many, many, many, many people.

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So she identified aircraft for a living.

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She was near Westchester County airport in 1983, and she and her mother were coming back from shopping,

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and she comes over a hill and she says there's a massive object taking up the entire sky,

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lights all around it, clearly nothing she had ever seen in her life,

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nothing she thought we could possibly even create ourselves.

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So she knew the man who worked at the radar tower at Westchester, Westchester.

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She called him up, she said I'm in such and such a location, what do you see?

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And he starts yelling, we see it, we see it.

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It's massive, we have no idea what it is, very excited.

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She says well I'll come in tomorrow, I want to keep following this thing, we'll talk about it.

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Next morning she pulls into the parking lot, and this radar man is running around the parking lot like a crazy man.

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She says what the heck is he doing?

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He was waiting for her, soon as she pulled in he ran up and said it was a flock of birds,

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I'm telling you it was a flock of birds, don't say anything, we'll lose our jobs or worse.

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She's like you know what are you talking about?

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You said you had this radar contact, he says I know, but just after we hung up,

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members of the Air National Guard who were stationed at Westchester County Airport at this point,

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kicked in the door of the tower with their guns drawn, and told them you are looking at a flock of birds,

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and that's it, end of story.

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I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but the Air National Guard left Westchester County Airport the following year,

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but what right did they have to burst into a civilian radar tower and threaten people,

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and apparently they threatened every single employee there at the time.

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So clearly they had it, they even admitted that the Air National Guard had this object on their radar as well,

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and once again nothing came of it.

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Indian Point, this is our nuclear facility on the Hudson River in Buchanan.

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A lot has been written about this, there was a big night in July of 1984 where a massive V shaped object was hovering directly over reactor 3,

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which was the only functional reactor at the time.

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There were reports that the guards were ready to fire upon this, there were conflicting reports whether they did fire upon it or not.

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It had been written about, people had spoken about it, but I wanted to interview somebody who was actually there.

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So just this past May, a man came up to me with the agreement of anonymity,

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and he said he was not there for that July incident, but the following year he was on duty one night and what his supervisor called,

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he picked up the phone, he said, they're back.

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He said, well what are you talking about, who's back?

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He said the UFO.

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He goes running outside, he said this thing was so huge, it just covered horizon to horizon.

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He said, they tried photographing, they couldn't get it all in the same frame.

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With a video camera they basically had to pan 180 degrees, simultaneously every security system in the plant shut off.

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And he said they're all standing there nervously, do we shoot, do we not shoot, what do we do?

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They didn't know what to do.

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And I asked him to describe it, he said, it looked roughly rectangular, I said, any sound whatsoever.

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I thought this was very curious.

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He said it was silent except for an occasional, he says, you know those big metal canoes when they flex?

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He said he almost heard this kind of grinding like this massive craft was flexing a little.

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I don't know what was causing that sound, but he said he still got goose bumps every time he thought of that sound.

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I also interviewed a couple of civilians who lived across the river from Indian Point.

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And this was an October incident, at least a third incident, and he said he went to take out the garbage

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and there was this huge, roughly triangular craft just hovering motionlessly over Indian Point.

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His wife came out in her underwear to see it, he said, I don't care if you're wearing nothing, you get out here.

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And they're watching this object just in awe.

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And he said, he used very colorful language, which I will not use, but he said the thing just went, took off.

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A few seconds later, a military helicopter came by as if it was in pursuit.

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I said, can you give me an idea of the scale of these objects?

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He said, imagine the typical lampshade in a living room.

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He said the military helicopter would have been like a fly on that object.

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So that gives you an idea of the scale.

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I have interviewed several other people from surrounding towns.

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As far as I can determine, there have been at least six, possibly seven independent nights, different nights,

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when huge, massive craft have been hovering over Indian Point.

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Some of the official excuses were formations of ultralights.

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And I will get into that ridiculousness in a moment, but why ultralights were allowed to violate highly restricted airspace

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and why they would want to hover over a nuclear power plant?

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I mean, it's all absurd, but I will discuss, in fact, I will discuss in ultralights now,

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because people would tell me, oh, you know, I saw the triangle, but they said it was just ultralights.

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I said, have you ever seen an ultralight? Have it been in an ultralight? Nobody knew.

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So I realized if I want to discredit something, I need to know what I'm talking about.

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I need to go up in an ultralight.

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So fortunately in the Hudson Valley, not too far away, there was an airport that specializes in the ultralight craft,

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and you can see what I'm in is an experimental craft, so I felt much more secure.

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It's not bad enough that these are go-karts with weed-wacker engines on them.

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I had to be in an experimental one.

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But it was critically important because I wanted to know the sound, I wanted to know the flight characteristics.

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I want to know if there were 25 not wins that night, could a formation of ultralights stay in formation?

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And I learned an enormous amount, and I also had the time of my life.

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It was the most sublime experience.

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There's nothing around you, you feel like you're the one doing the flying.

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But the noise is deafening. You can see I'm on a headset here, and even with that, we had earplugs, headsets.

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You have to shout at the top of your lungs to be heard. That's how loud an ultralight is.

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So when 100 people are standing on the side of the road, and there's a massive silent triangle hovering over them for 20 minutes,

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and you could hear a pin drop, that is not a formation of ultralights.

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I can state that categorically now. It would sound like a flock of weed-wackers over your head.

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But to this day, 30 years later, I can't tell you how many people say,

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why are you wasting your time studying the giant triangles when everybody knows they were just formations of ultralights?

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So unfortunately, I had to devote an entire chapter in my book to why they were not ultralights.

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The only ultralight that is motionless is one that has crashed to the ground because it's trying to be motionless.

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So I don't want to hear any more about ultralights.

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All right, the giant triangles themselves, the real big wave began the night of December 31st, 1982.

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But I have reports from people as early as the late 1970s seeing these as well.

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But this is the date that most people pin on this. It was featured in Unsolved Mysteries in 1992.

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Probably a lot of you saw that. This is a representation of one of the craft that many people saw.

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And this man was featured in that show, Dennis Sant. He is now the town clerk, the county clerk for Putnam County.

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And he had his sighting on March 17th, 1983.

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And a remarkable sighting, I will explain it in a moment.

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And he got some publicity from that, did a lot of talk shows and drew the attention of this man, Dr. J. Allen Hineck.

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You can see they're sharing a pipe here in Dennis's home.

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And I contacted him 30 years later and I said, I know you don't do interviews anymore.

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But I was trying to look at this as how did these sightings in the 1980s affect people through their lives?

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We're now 30 years removed. Has it influenced them?

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And he said, you know, that's an intriguing question. And he said he would be willing to speak with me.

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So here he is 30 years later. He was kind enough to be filmed.

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But his story was that he saw something that looked like this.

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When he first saw it, he said it looked L shaped.

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And it was hovering over Route 84, which is a major, major highway in New York.

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He said about 100 cars were pulled over. People were out of their cars.

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His house, this was an elevated section of 84.

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His house was just below that, maybe about 80 feet down.

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And he's looking at this. And as he's thinking, I wish I could have a better look, he said it tilted like this to a V shape.

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And the V shaped moved straight for him.

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And we are standing in his backyard and you can see the overgrown part behind us.

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That was a marsh back in 1983.

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This craft hovered at tree top level over this marsh.

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He said it had so many lights. He said it was lit up like a Friday night football game.

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You could see everything everywhere. And he was standing under this, no sound.

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And I said, really, how close do you think it was?

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He says, if I was young again and had a baseball, I easily could have hit it.

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And it was just a remarkable, credible eyewitness.

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Now he worked for the town back then. He called the local sheriff's office and they said, Dennis, calm down.

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It was a formation of, I don't even want to say the word, small fabric and tubular framed aircraft.

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And he's like, BS it was. Don't you tell them. They hung up on him.

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And these are people he knew and worked with.

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The wave continued with another mass sighting just a week, exactly a week later on March 24th, 1983.

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These three women were coming back from Fordham University in New York City, driving up the Teconic.

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And they were coming back from graduate courses. They were all teachers.

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And they saw some very bright lights. They saw the usual routine.

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People are pulled off on the sides of the road, out of their cars.

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So they got out and this is a sketch one of the Lady Sons did.

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Massive triangle, silent, incredibly bright lights, hovered at tree top level over them for a full 20 minutes.

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Now, when a sighting of five or 10 seconds can influence your life, I just can't imagine what 20 full minutes would be.

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Unfortunately, the lady in the middle there, Jackie, just got so unnerved and she said, I just have to get out of here.

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I can't stand it anymore. So they left.

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But thousands and thousands of people saw this triangle that night.

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A young man saw it that night, a 17 year old high school student who was president of his photography class, came out of school,

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saw this brilliantly lit triangle, which I hope you can see, looks like a beam of light is coming down, illuminating perhaps water.

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Can you tell from, you can see the ground is illuminated.

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So whatever this light was, was propagating down to the surface.

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He took this photo, he showed it to the police.

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It was published in the newspaper and you know what the police told him, what it was, a formation of.

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So one of the teachers had saved this clipping and she gave it to me and I said, well, this, this just might be the best photograph from the whole 1980s wave.

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So I looked him up. He's still 30 years later living in Mayo pack.

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And I said, you know, this is going to be a little blast from the past.

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I said, but are you the Jeffrey Salmonays who took the photo of the UFO and there was silence for a moment.

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He's like, oh my God.

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He said, yes, yes, I did.

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And he goes, but why are you interested in that?

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It was just a formation of ultra.

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I said, did you even look at your own photo?

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I said, you have a solid lit up triangle with a light beaming down.

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He goes, oh yeah, yeah, look at that.

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I said, do you have the negative please?

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I wanted to get it into the hands of photographic experts.

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I waited several weeks.

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I called him back.

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He goes, you know, I found the original photograph and negative in the attic.

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I said, hallelujah.

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I'm out the door.

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I'm coming to get it now.

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He said, no, one of my kids took it to show and tell and I don't know where it is now.

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So close yet so far, but at least we still have this newspaper clipping.

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I think I mentioned that the production company that made the film was called Big Guy Media.

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And this is why it is called Big Guy Media.

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That is Felix Oliveieri, the director.

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And he is miking up a little Maureen Davis there who is still a research librarian.

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She was a kick to interview.

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She says, Linda, I have to tell you, you know, I'm a research librarian.

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I'm not that creative.

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I don't make up stories.

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Okay, Maureen, I believe you just tell your story.

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But why I wanted to mention her is she had the unique perspective of actually seeing up inside one of these massive triangles.

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She was at the bus stop waiting for her husband to come home from the city.

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And she looked up and saw these lights in the sky and as it moved closer, she described a giant triangle.

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And I said, was it the size of a football field because that's what everybody uses.

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She says, no.

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So I'm like, well, what was it?

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She says, more like a football stadium.

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Okay.

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And she said, a little red, I hear this all the time, a little red light came up from behind.

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There was suddenly an opening in the craft and this little red light went up inside.

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And as it did, she could see up in it.

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And she's, I loved her description.

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She says, you know, the balconies on a high rise apartment.

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She said, that's what it looked like.

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She could see many layers lit up inside this craft.

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It was just, it was just a remarkable story.

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And as she is a reference librarian, I have to believe her.

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Well, we remember poor Otto Pushman, who was arrested for cursing at the moon.

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Jump ahead to the 1990s when Pine Bush, New York became what they still call the Northeast capital, UFO capital.

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And every night, hundreds of people from the tri-state area would gather on these deserted old farm roads and were,

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had this most incredible show of lights in the woods coming up out of the ground, large triangles, small triangles.

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You name it, just about any night of the week in the, in the early, late 80s, early 90s, something could be seen.

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At the same time, developers were buying up the old farms and putting in these McMansion houses.

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Who's going to want to buy a big new expensive house when you have 300 crazy ufologists, ufologists standing in your, your road every night?

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So they started throwing down tax on the side of the road.

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So anybody who pulled up and stopped their car would get two, three, four flat tires.

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That wasn't working.

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So they, they applied some pressure to the local town council.

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They actually passed an ordinance.

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It was illegal to sky watch in the town of Crawford, which was where Pine Bush.

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If you went out of your house, stood by the side of the road and looked up at the sky, you could be ticketed.

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Well, times have changed in Pine Bush.

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They now, they now embrace their UFO heritage.

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They realize there are economic advantages, shall we say, and they every year now they have a UFO festival and it's, it's a remarkable event.

415
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:45,000
The diner in town is now the cup and saucer diner where people come and talk about their UFO stories.

416
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,000
The man who owns the diner, Dino, he has this UFO patrol car here.

417
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
He leads the parade.

418
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:01,000
People dress themselves as aliens, their cars are aliens, they dress their dogs as aliens.

419
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
So it's a lot of fun.

420
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:17,000
But at the same time, they do have a series of lectures where they do, you know, for the serious UFO enthusiast, they have, they have lectures and presentations and they're trying to expand it,

421
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,000
possibly get a conference going with it.

422
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:33,000
But many people think that whole Pine Bush phenomena ended in the mid 1990s, but that is definitely not the case.

423
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,000
The last two, three years, massive rectangles are now being seen.

424
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,000
This is a sketch made by a member of law enforcement who lives in Pine Bush.

425
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:58,000
I interviewed three separate people, somewhat on a diagonal line of the way this object was moving over the course of the night and got three eye witness accounts of the same object.

426
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Most recently, I'd say three weeks ago, this object was seen again by multiple eye witnesses.

427
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:13,000
The same characteristics of the massive silent triangles, but now they are rectangles.

428
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
So we are hoping to spread the word.

429
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Someone asked yesterday at the press conference the value of social media in ufology.

430
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:37,000
It's because it's the great thing is as soon as you get a sighting, put it on the Facebook page, everybody knows to go outside that night and look for it and then post their sightings if they have it.

431
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:50,000
It's immediate feedback. You don't have to wait for three weeks later to hear from a friend of a friend that the same night you can be out there looking for these.

432
00:43:50,000 --> 00:44:01,000
When I first started this research, I thought for the most part I was going to interview people who saw lights in the sky, something darting by.

433
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,000
And my very first interview really blew my doors off.

434
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:14,000
We invited a man to my house. He didn't want to be his identity known.

435
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Actually, he didn't care, but his kids said they'd kill him if he went out in public about this.

436
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:32,000
But he started having experiences, missing time, seeing short figures with large eyes back in the 1950s when he was a child.

437
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:39,000
When he grew up, he was going to the store one night. There was a small country store that closed at midnight.

438
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:47,000
He left his house about 10 o'clock. He should have been at the store at 10.02. That's how close it was.

439
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:57,000
But at this point in the road where he's pointing, he saw large egg-shaped craft similar to what he saw as a child.

440
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:05,000
The next thing he knows, the craft is taking off. He's a little disoriented, doesn't think anything of it. His car is now off.

441
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:13,000
He didn't know how that happened. He starts his car, goes to the store, and they said, well, it's a good thing you got here. We're just about to close.

442
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:23,000
He said, you don't close till midnight. They said, it's midnight now. So two hours were missing. He got home. His wife was hysterical, wondering where he had been.

443
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:36,000
The next day, he's not feeling well. He starts getting severe bloody noses. His leg is sore. He finds a large, carterized scoop mark in his thigh.

444
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:49,000
That night, he received three triangular indentations in his neck, which the scars are still there today. So deep. I actually touched them. You can put your finger in them. They're so deep.

445
00:45:49,000 --> 00:46:01,000
I wanted to speak to his mother, who was 83 at the time, because I wanted to know what kind of a boy was he. Was he very imaginative? Did he make up stories?

446
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:12,000
So we invited her to be filmed. She was a wonderful, wonderful woman. And I'm sad to say she just passed away two weeks ago at the age of 85.

447
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:23,000
But she was wonderful. We had kept in touch the last couple of years. But she's saying, oh, yes, I remember him telling me there were strange lights and there were people in his room.

448
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:32,000
And she's saying something. The way she's describing these short figures with the bright white heads and the big dark eyes.

449
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:44,000
And I said, wait a minute. Did you see these two? She goes, well, yeah, the first time was 1937. And I, yeah, that was my reaction.

450
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:55,000
I said, OK, we need to start from the beginning here. She started seeing these beings, having missing time, experiences, 1937.

451
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:05,000
She marries a man who also lived in the same apartment building, also had similar experiences. They have children who all had similar experiences.

452
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,000
The grandchildren and now the great grandchildren are all experiencing the same thing.

453
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:23,000
So that's four. This was my first case, a four generation abduction case, which I said, OK, we're getting into more than little lights in the sky now.

454
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:35,000
Thanks to a Mufon journal from the 1980s, I came across an article written by Bud Hopkins about a case that was also local in my area.

455
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:50,000
In fact, just the next town over from where I grew up, 1929, where a girl was outside playing and she saw metallic craft, saw small misshapen figures as she called them.

456
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:58,000
And several hours of time was missing and she had all the classic post abduction symptoms after that.

457
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,000
So we are pushing back the envelope even further.

458
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:13,000
There was a very unique case. I should mention that that girl in 1929 had said that time seemed to stand still.

459
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:20,000
And I had had a different case back in 1984.

460
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:29,000
A teenage girl and her mother saw this massive triangle coming over their house and she wanted to run out and see it.

461
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,000
So did the mother and the husband is inside yelling, don't go out there, they'll suck you up.

462
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:44,000
But they went outside anyway. The mother got afraid and she hid behind a shed and she realized later that would have done any good.

463
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:52,000
But during this sighting, the daughter says to the mother, don't be afraid, mom, they're probably just coming back to check on me.

464
00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:00,000
And in the excitement, she didn't know what to think. Later on, she said, wait a minute, what were you talking about there, coming back to check on you.

465
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:10,000
She said, well, when we lived in the town of Montgomery 12 years ago, she was playing in her sandbox and she's looking up at her mother in the window who was washing dishes.

466
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,000
She could see her in the kitchen window.

467
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:20,000
And she said all of a sudden time froze. The bird stopped singing. Her mother was frozen in place.

468
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:27,000
It seemed like everything stopped. And she felt suddenly as if she was on some sort of examination table.

469
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:36,000
And she heard voices saying, we can't keep her. We have to send her back. She's damaged.

470
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Next thing she knows, she's back in her sandbox playing. Well, she had never told her mother this.

471
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:52,000
And when she finally did tell her mother this, she was, the mother was stunned because what the little girl didn't realize is when she was a baby,

472
00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:00,000
she had a condition that she needed to have a drain put into her brain, which was still there to that day.

473
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:09,000
So in effect, she wasn't a good specimen because she was damaged.

474
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:16,000
We all in the field encounter some very interesting people who have some dubious stories.

475
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:25,000
I was contacted by a gentleman who was on a local school board. He was also a local official, elected official.

476
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,000
And he started telling me this story of how a triangle came over his house.

477
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,000
And the next night he started seeing squirrel people and owl people.

478
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:41,000
And of course I'm picturing big bushy furry tails and 12 foot feathered things.

479
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:48,000
And I said, you know, let's stop here. I need some clarification. I said, can you draw me a sketch?

480
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,000
I need to know what you're talking about. And this is what he sent me.

481
00:50:53,000 --> 00:51:02,000
The one in the bottom right, he said he described as a squirrel person because it had very narrow head and huge eyes.

482
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:12,000
And the thing that started showing up in his bedroom, he called an owl person because it had a very circular white round head.

483
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:20,000
And he said these beings would appear several times a week. He started getting incredibly severe nosebleeds.

484
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,000
He went to a doctor and they couldn't find out what was going on.

485
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:34,000
They finally put one of those fiber optic scopes up into his sinuses and found all kinds of cuts and abrasions.

486
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,000
And they said, who's been operating on you? You know, what is he going to say?

487
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:45,000
He says, I don't know how this has happened. It got so severe it went on for so many months.

488
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,000
He just left his house. He had to move. Unfortunately the activity did not continue.

489
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Now this man was brave enough to let me use his real name.

490
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:06,000
And I said, I really appreciate that. I said, but honestly, if you ever have any hope of being elected again, I'm just going to make up a name for you.

491
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:12,000
There's no sense. He gave me his story. I know who he is. I can contact him at any point.

492
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:21,000
But you know, the nature of the world, there's no sense bringing on that kind of ridicule and ruining your career.

493
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:28,000
I don't want to ignore the classic flying saucers, which the Hudson Valley over the years has had many of.

494
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:39,000
This is beautiful Lake Oskawana in Putnam County. And one night three girls were standing near this dock and they saw several lights coming.

495
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:54,000
We're looking to the north here coming south across the lake, which turned out to be this massive circular craft which hovered over this cove, as you can see, just a few hundred feet from them.

496
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:02,000
It was a very interesting story. She was about 14 at the time. She's now in her 40s with kids of her own.

497
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:15,000
And she mentioned to me that her mother had had a sighting. So I didn't want to do this together. I separately spoke to her mother and asked them both to make sketches of what they had seen.

498
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:22,000
Now the mother here, Carol, in the green shirt, she was also 14 years old at the time.

499
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Her sighting was at the top of an apartment building in the Bronx of all places. And she drew this sketch of the circular craft with the rectangular windows you can see along the middle.

500
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Her daughter isn't such a good artist, something similar. But when the daughter saw the mother's sketch, she says, no, that's what I saw.

501
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:57,000
I thought this was fascinating, both at the age of 14, one in 1960 and then one in 1980. They both saw, if not the same craft, a very similar one.

502
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Another wonderful witness to a flying saucer at Lake Oskawana was this woman, Gloria Lapala. About 30 years ago, she's in her kitchen ironing and she had a view out over this deck.

503
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:25,000
And fortunately, she was a better artist and she sketched this for me. She said, this is what she saw. It moved so slow, she was actually walking under it, keeping pace with it as it was moving.

504
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:38,000
She called the local police force and I want to mention this story also because this is probably the most honest answer anyone has ever received trying to report a UFO.

505
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:48,000
She said, officer, can you tell me what is going over Lake Oskawana? And he said, I'll be damned if I know, lady.

506
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:57,000
They had received tons of calls, they saw it and I said, that's a perfectly legitimate answer. Don't make something up.

507
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Don't insult the witness by coming up with something stupid. Admit you don't have any clue either.

508
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Alright, there's been some talk of Project Blue Book this weekend and I was naive enough to thought I should just look at the unexplained cases.

509
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:27,000
But I decided, you know what, I'm going to pull out every single Hudson Valley case. This was a months long project and examine each one.

510
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:40,000
And the first one I came upon was actually from Stewart Air Force Base. And as you can see on the project record card, it was evaluated as a balloon, surprise, surprise.

511
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:56,000
But then I, going through the entire file, you see on the second page there, here's a letter written from Stewart Air Force Base to Wright Patterson Air Force Base talking about possible unconventional aircraft.

512
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Now why would you call a weather balloon an identified weather balloon unconventional aircraft? So I started reading the actual statements by the Lieutenant and the captain who had the sightings.

513
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:24,000
The one officer said that the object did not appear to be conventional aircraft and in his judgment displayed convincing traits of planned maneuverability.

514
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:31,000
In other words, something someone was steering this, which discounted the theory of it being a weather balloon.

515
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:47,000
We find out it had been seen on other nights by other people. And the kicker, the last line of the last page, they admit no weather balloons were released during the period of observation and no local aircraft were taking off and landing.

516
00:56:47,000 --> 00:57:03,000
So I was incensed. I was just so, I think I got up and stomped around my office and I was like, how could they just come out with these blatant lies? So I realized I had to go through and read the full files of every single case.

517
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:22,000
And here was another one that just raised my blood pressure. Here was an object which was Wappinger Falls, New York. It was considered to be a meteor. If you read the entire report, it was seen by multiple eyewitnesses over the span of two weeks.

518
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:38,000
And one of the witnesses hiked back into the woods where she saw one of these lights land, got within 150 feet, drew this sketch of this circular domed object, said it was about the size of a Volkswagen, gave very detailed reports.

519
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:55,000
And still, this was, the conclusion was it was a meteor. And I started joking that the Blue Book staff had one of those magic eight balls and they would shake it and oh, today it's a meteor, you know, oh, I was hoping for swamp gas.

520
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:14,000
It's just so random and so insulting. So I urge you don't be fooled by the unexplained or the lack of information. Read every word of every case because there's a lot hidden in plain sight there.

521
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Some more recent sightings in the Hudson Valley. This is my chiropractor of all people who calls me one afternoon and says I have video of a UFO and I know him very well and I said, all right, I believe you.

522
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:38,000
But then he went on to describe it. He's a real aviation buff. He can identify aircraft just by hearing them.

523
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:48,000
He said he was out raking leaves and he saw very bright, bright light in the sky. He had time to run in and get his glasses. Then he had time to run in and get his binoculars.

524
00:58:48,000 --> 00:59:02,000
And he said it looked like an upright telephone pole covered in chrome. Now there were about 25 mile an hour winds at the surface. So obviously winds were much higher aloft.

525
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:14,000
So this couldn't possibly have been a balloon because for at least 10 minutes he described it as being pinned to the sky. He ran in and got his camcorder.

526
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:19,000
The only tape he could find was his sister's wedding video.

527
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:29,000
And God love him. He taped over that and I said, you know, don't worry, your sister can always get married again.

528
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:35,000
But how often do you have an opportunity to film a UFO?

529
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:45,000
So he filmed several minutes of this. I later found other people who had posted similar videos on YouTube.

530
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:56,000
And there was also a man about 30 minutes from us who he is a professional aerial photographer for Hollywood.

531
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:04,000
He used his special high definition cameras to film this object for two solid hours.

532
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:14,000
He's also a pilot. He called the FAA. He called air traffic control. Nobody gave a damn. Everybody hung up on him. Nobody cared.

533
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:23,000
We had this massive object pinned in the sky in New York airspace, controlled airspace and nobody cared.

534
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:34,000
All right, I want to finish with one of my favorite stories and hopefully one that we will soon be getting more information on.

535
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:45,000
In Monroe, New York, which is in Orange County on the other side of the country, there was a couple who lived in a house set pretty far back off the road.

536
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:53,000
And she said she was always nervous about break-ins. So she got a couple of big dogs to guard dogs. She was always a little nervous.

537
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:00,000
And she said one night it was like there were two Mack truck headlights suddenly shining in her bedroom window.

538
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:07,000
The dogs are going ballistic. Normally she would be screaming and yelling, calling the police.

539
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,000
She said, oh well, I'll just find out what it was in the morning.

540
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:18,000
Next thing she knows, she's out cold. She wakes up in the morning. Her recollection slowly comes back.

541
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,000
She wakes up her husband, who was a science teacher, and says, you know, there were lights.

542
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:30,000
I think it was aliens and he's thinking, uh-huh. He said, I need proof.

543
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:40,000
So he says, I'll go outside and I see if I see anything. He comes back in. Why does a sheet call the state police, call the Air Force, call the mayor, call everybody?

544
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,000
What's the matter? Well, they were doing construction on the house and they had a truckload of sand delivered.

545
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:55,000
A mountain of sand was in the driveway. It was there when they went to bed, when he went out that morning.

546
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:06,000
All the sand was blown away except for these concentric circles of sand that were fused and pressed into the blacktop.

547
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:15,000
So Maya, thank heaven she had the foresight to take photographs. She took a series of Polaroid pictures.

548
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,000
It seems to be about 18 to 20 feet in diameter, the largest circle.

549
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:29,000
I said, is this still in your driveway? She says, well, we never dug it up, but we put another layer of blacktop over it.

550
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:37,000
And I want to get a team there to take core samples. She said, we can dig up her driveway.

551
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:48,000
I would love to get a sample of this and see was this sand heated to the point where it vitrified or physically fused with that blacktop.

552
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:55,000
So hopefully there will be a very exciting addendum to this case.

553
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:05,000
So even 30 years later, don't give up. Keep at it. Keep literally digging and hopefully more information will come to light.

554
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:12,000
So just in summary, there have been over 100 years of activity in the Hudson Valley, no question.

555
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Many cases are multi-generational, far more abductees and contactees than I had ever imagined possible.

556
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Massive triangles and Vs in the 1980s and 90s is probably the most well-known of the events.

557
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:35,000
There's a lot of involvement with the Hudson River itself, lakes, and a lot of reservoirs, objects coming in and out of them.

558
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Involvement with the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant as well as power lines.

559
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Involvement with Stuart Air Force Base going back at least to the 1950s and that it is still going on today.

560
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:56,000
So as I said at the beginning, I invite you to draw your own conclusions.

561
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:07,000
But this, if not the number one hotspot in the country, I think definitely deserves honorable mention as an incredibly active location.

562
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Is this the area where Whitley-Streiber had his experiences in communion?

563
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:20,000
Yes, in fact, Whitley-Streiber's cabin where those experiences took place is probably about a 20-minute drive from Pine Bush.

564
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
Okay, thank you.

565
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,000
Thank you. Hello.

566
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:29,000
Yes, I was wondering if you could tell us one of your personal stories.

567
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,000
I know you have one that involves the reaction of a police officer.

568
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,000
You want the bathrobe story, I know you.

569
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:47,000
I was in college, I was studying for an organic chemistry test, and I was wearing a red fuzzy bathrobe and slippers, you know, relaxing, doing my work.

570
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:56,000
And a friend's mother called and said, go outside right now, something just passed over our town and is headed for your town.

571
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:09,000
So my boyfriend and I ran outside three large, round, soft, yellow, white lights flying in a V-shaped and they split off in different directions.

572
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Now remember that Vincent Perna picture from Lake Tirati?

573
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,000
I remembered that picture.

574
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
I said, let's go up to the lake.

575
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000
It was about 20 minutes away.

576
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,000
I said, I know it's a long shot, but there have been UFOs sighted there before.

577
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Who knows? It's a chance.

578
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000
So I didn't change.

579
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:36,000
I just jumped in the car in my red fuzzy bathrobe and we went speeding up there and we sat and we waited and we waited.

580
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:41,000
And maybe 20 minutes went by and I was just about to give up.

581
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:52,000
And all of a sudden, here's this yellowish white light coming from the north, one from the south, one from the east, and they're on this collision course.

582
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
And we were getting very nervous.

583
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Oh my God, they're going to crash.

584
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Well, they did come together in this blinding, brilliant blue flash, indescribable, and as one solid pulsating blue light, it lowered slowly onto the top of this mountain.

585
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,000
Well, bathrobe and slippers and all, I'm ready to run up this mountain.

586
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:28,000
At this point, the state trooper pulls up and he wants to know what a girl in a bathrobe is doing in a car with two men late at night in the middle of a state park.

587
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,000
So I didn't want to sound inebriated or anything else.

588
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,000
And I finally just said, look, officer, would you please turn around and look?

589
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,000
And he turns around and he was annoyed.

590
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:46,000
But he turns around and look, white as a sheet, he turns and he goes, get out of here, go, go now.

591
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,000
So he was terrified.

592
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000
We jumped in the car.

593
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000
We, you know, we took off.

594
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
He passed us.

595
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000
He was hauling.

596
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,000
He went by.

597
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,000
He didn't want any part of whatever that was.

598
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,000
Yes.

599
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,000
Thank you for the excellent presentation.

600
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Thank you.

601
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:20,000
From your account, it seems that there was a spike in sightings in early 1980s, 1982, 83.

602
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:26,000
In the early 50s, there was another spike in sightings.

603
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:39,000
Now, both the early 50s and early 1980s, especially culminating in 1983, were times when the danger of nuclear war was at its height.

604
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:44,000
I mean, we have those graphs now describing the level of the nuclear threat.

605
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,000
Right.

606
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:53,000
So those specific, and also you mentioned that in recent years, you say that 2012, there was another increase.

607
01:07:53,000 --> 01:08:08,000
Now, if you look at the studies of the level of danger of nuclear war, we are now at a period when that danger has reached a level comparable, actually exactly the same level as 83 and 53.

608
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Do you think that there might be a connection?

609
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,000
Well, that's fascinating because there was so much involvement with the Indian Point.

610
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,000
Demonstrations that they could fly over a nuclear facility and shut down the systems.

611
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000
So that might add to the weight.

612
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,000
But that's just a nuclear reactor.

613
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Right.

614
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:34,000
But obviously, if there's danger of nuclear war, and perhaps they want to show what they can do to nuclear facilities.

615
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,000
So that's fascinating.

616
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,000
That is certainly a possibility.

617
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000
Thank you.

618
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Thank you.

619
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000
All right.

620
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:48,000
If anybody else has any questions or comments or wants to share a story, I will be in the vendor room the rest of the afternoon.

621
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,000
And again, I really want to appreciate, I want to thank Mufon.

622
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:57,000
I really appreciate this opportunity to share a topic that is near and dear to me.

623
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,000
So thanks again.

624
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000
Thank you.

625
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Thank you.